when is something frozen? different things have different freezing temperatures, right? so how do you determine when a substance is frozen? like plastic, is it frozen because it is solid, or is it frozen whenn you put it in the freezer? just currious
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Thu, March 24, 2005 - 7:28 AMI'm guessing matter that is frozen are liquids and solids. And if you were to freeze a solid all you would be doing is slowing down the electrons which would make the solid freeze. So I think what I mean is when something is frozen the atoms energy is halted.
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Thu, March 24, 2005 - 11:43 AMbut if you freeze water it becomes a solid as with any other liquid, so wouldnt all things solid be frozen until they are melted? -
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Fri, March 25, 2005 - 9:04 AMhere is the definition of frozen
"To pass from the liquid to the solid state by loss of heat."
I see what you mean because if something solid like a plastic toy was melted by heat and then cooled down the solid would freeze.
So it seems to me that everything not only has a melting point but has a freezing point. Because really the definition of frozen does not define freezing for everything to be below a certain degree. It may be confusing when people say that the climate is below freezing but remember that that is just the air that is cold and not the molecules of a plastic toy.
Jenna :)
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Fri, March 25, 2005 - 6:07 PMso if something is solid it is in a frozen state? the reason i ask: my mother is now buying water for $5 a gallon (more than milk) and no longer freezes water in plastic because it some how releases chemicles into the water when you freeze the plastic but i couldnt figure out how anyone could freeze something that is solid. the expensive water also has "extra" oxygen in it which would make it something other than water if i am not mistaken. -
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Fri, March 25, 2005 - 8:22 PMI'm a little confused on what you mean.
Didn't you just say she is freezing the water in the bottles? then how come you said this?
"i couldnt figure out how anyone could freeze something that is solid."
I don't understnad what you mean. What solid are you talking about? -
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Fri, March 25, 2005 - 8:54 PMmy mother is buying water in glass jugs and does not use water from the fridge or freezer because it is bad to freeze plastic but i dont see how you can freeze plastic in the freezer since it is solid. -
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Sat, March 26, 2005 - 7:40 AMOk i looked in the dictionary and there are so many definitions of frozen it's crazy but scientificly speaking if a solid is frozen there is evidence of ICE making it frozen.
You said "i dont see how you can freeze plastic in the freezer since it is solid."
You can't it's already a solid anyway and it's not a liquid so it's going to stay a solid in the freezer. I mean it can'tg get anymore solid than it already is.
Are you trying to say that how can you freeze a waterbottle and have the chemicals from that bottle transferred to the water?
Otherwise you need to be more specific because I still don't understand what you mean.
Are you saying your mom doesn't freeze water in water bottles?
Your saying your mom "does not use water from the fridge or freezer because it is bad to freeze plastic." Since when is water plastic? Please re think how you are trying to explain and be more specific.
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Sat, March 26, 2005 - 7:32 PMas i have understoon it when you reduce the tempature of somthing it slows the electrons and somthingis cosiderd frozen when theire is no molecular activity???
but im a archeology major not a physics guy -
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Tue, December 6, 2005 - 7:48 PMright. the comment about energy in atoms is on the right track. when we say 'freeze' we naturally think of water. heat is lost from the water vapour or water liquid and so the atoms have less energy and so the slow down and form a solid structure. Ice. you can keep cooling this solid i.e. make it colder by taking more heat from it. (there is heat in ice btw, but the atoms are bonded and move less) it is not at absolute zero. we say it is at 0 degrees celcius because that is a convenitent i.e. arbitrary point.) absolute zero is what space is (effectively anyway) and that is a lot colder than ice in your freezer. stuff 'freezes' when it goes solid like water. but also stuff can go solid from forming new bonds i.e. it does not have to be with a loss of heat, it can be exothermic or endothermic reaction. but don't worry about that. we can alter at what temperature something becomes solid by changing the temperature, pressure, adn other things. sea water freezes at lower temperature than fresh water because of the salt.... and the plasic containers thing could be to do with the plastic or the pressure in the containter. oh and also just to confuse you, most things decrease volume when they freeze ie. they take up less space because the atoms/molecules are closer together. BUT water is unusual in that the structure has gaps (where some 'air' is trapped) hence ice is greater volume, less dense and floats in water. so there you go! chemistry is fascinating isn't it?
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